LisaRose thank you for your experience. I see why there is such a problem with them. Glad you was able to stop using them. We are also cat people. I know what you mean, cats do have feelings. I was always told we do not own cats,. Cats own us. Take care
Zeb my advice is if you can live with your back problem with exercise and can manage your pain keep doing that. I did for 10 years before I finally had to take care of it. Walking and climbing stairs is my thing now. Drinks lot's of water and above all hug my wife as often as I can. Take care
Still Totally ADD